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violent protest against the united states. at the u.s. kons late in benghazi, at least one american staff member was killed after they stormed the compound and burned it down. looking at the scene, you can hear gunshots going off. the attackers were armed with automatic rifles and grenades. libyan forces stationed there were said to have done little to stop the violence. in egypt, protesters scaled walls destroying the american flag, ripping it to shreds and replacing it with a black, islamic banner. the diplomatic staff had been evacua evacuated. both incidents in reaction to a little known akture movie produced in the u.s. po ridicule the profit mo hammed. the same guy that triggered deadly riots in afghanistan by threatening to burn the koran. the american embassy prepared a statement reading the united states embassy condemns the efforts of misguided individuals to hurt the feelings of muslims. respect for religious beliefs is a corner stone of american democracy. we reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free sp
violent protest against the united states. at the u.s. kons late in benghazi, at least one american staff member was killed after they stormed the compound and burned it down. looking at the scene, you can hear gunshots going off. the attackers were armed with automatic rifles and grenades. libyan forces stationed there were said to have done little to stop the violence. in egypt, protesters scaled walls destroying the american flag, ripping it to shreds and replacing it with a black, islamic...
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this is nothing anything the united states can do about it. i think hillary clinton's words were right in that the united states is all about religious tolerance, and that's the message the u.s. will try to get across in the days to come. >> our deepest sympathies and it's a tremendous loss for the u.s. diplomatic corp, and so thank you for take the time to talk with us. >> thank you. >>> let me bring back chuck todd. for people just joining us i want to set up the political implications of this and what happened overnight. first there was a statement issued by the u.s. embassy in egypt, which did condemn the aattacks, and the filmmaker. and that led to a statement from romney's campaign. it's disgraceful the obama administration's first response was not to condemn the attacks on the american missions but to sympathize with libya, and then another statement by the white house. now, we just got this statement, chuck, from the romney camp. a top romney campaign official tells nbc news it's standing by its statement from last night that criticize
this is nothing anything the united states can do about it. i think hillary clinton's words were right in that the united states is all about religious tolerance, and that's the message the u.s. will try to get across in the days to come. >> our deepest sympathies and it's a tremendous loss for the u.s. diplomatic corp, and so thank you for take the time to talk with us. >> thank you. >>> let me bring back chuck todd. for people just joining us i want to set up the...
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has the arab spring been good for the united states? >> well, yes, it has -- >> i have to stop you there. here is hillary clinton. >> yesterday our post in libya was attacked. heavily armed militants attacked the compound and set fire to the buildings. american and libyan security personnel battled the attackers together. four americans were killed. they included sean smith, a foreign service information management officer, and our ambassador to libya, chris stevens. we are still making next of kin notifications for the other two individuals. this is an attack that should shock the conscience of people of all faiths around the world. we condemn in the strongest terms this senseless act of violence and we send our prayers to the families, friends and colleagues of those we've lost. all over the world every day americans risk our lives in the service of our countries and values. because they believe that the united states must be a force for peace and progress in the world. that these aspirations are worth striving and sacrificing for. al
has the arab spring been good for the united states? >> well, yes, it has -- >> i have to stop you there. here is hillary clinton. >> yesterday our post in libya was attacked. heavily armed militants attacked the compound and set fire to the buildings. american and libyan security personnel battled the attackers together. four americans were killed. they included sean smith, a foreign service information management officer, and our ambassador to libya, chris stevens. we are...
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the president never apologized # for the united states. "the washington post" debunked those claims last year. quote, in none of these cases does obama actually use a word at all similar to apologize. the post says, quote, note to gop speechwriters and campaign ad makers the apology tour never happened. mitt romney was never one to let good talking points get in the way but still he should offer an apology of his own. joining me now is crystal ball, co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and joe madison. thanks to both of you for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> so crystal, why is romney using these false apologizing attacks on the president? >> well, in the words of his pollster, they are not going to allow themselves to be dictated by fact checkers and clearly they have lived that mantra throughout the campaign. this is the same guy who has placed a lot of emphasis through ad dollars and in his speeches on a welfare attack on the president which is also wholly untrue and i also think, as you correctly pointed out, he's been push
the president never apologized # for the united states. "the washington post" debunked those claims last year. quote, in none of these cases does obama actually use a word at all similar to apologize. the post says, quote, note to gop speechwriters and campaign ad makers the apology tour never happened. mitt romney was never one to let good talking points get in the way but still he should offer an apology of his own. joining me now is crystal ball, co-host of "the cycle"...
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it has been over a year now since the united states killed osama bin laden. the head of the group that attacked us on 9/11. it's a presidential election year. it's a year when one of the wars we launched after 9/11, the one that actually had a connection to 9/11, is a war that's still going on, but the other long war we launched after 9/11 has been ended in iraq. and all of those variables factor into decisions about how we mark this day as americans. but also how our leaders or our would be leaders mark it. how we commemorate 9/11 is a work in progress. we saw today a decision by the white house and the obama campaign to have vice president joe biden mark the day in a way that was not political. it was just about remembering the people who were lost that day and commemorating the sacrifices people have made in this country because of 9/11. while both sides in the presidential campaign suspended their negative ads for the day out of respect for the anniversary, there's no ban on campaigning today. there's no rule about what you can and cannot do. mitt romney
it has been over a year now since the united states killed osama bin laden. the head of the group that attacked us on 9/11. it's a presidential election year. it's a year when one of the wars we launched after 9/11, the one that actually had a connection to 9/11, is a war that's still going on, but the other long war we launched after 9/11 has been ended in iraq. and all of those variables factor into decisions about how we mark this day as americans. but also how our leaders or our would be...
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. >> today we mourn four more americans who represent the very best of the united states of america. we will not waiver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act and make no mistake, justice will be done. >> the friendship between our countries born out of shared struggle will not be another casualty of this attack. a free and stable libya is still in america's interest and security. and we will not turn our back on that. >> meanwhile, mitt romney condemned the loss of american lives but he also seized on the attacks even before daybreak slamming the administration's response in what became a fierce back and forth between the two campaigns. romney then doubled down this morning. >> i spoke out when the key fact that i referred to was known which was that the embassy of the united states issued what appeared to be an apology for american principles. that was a mistake. and i believe that when a mistake is made of that significance you speak out. >> we start our coverage right now with nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel in cairo, egypt. >> repo
. >> today we mourn four more americans who represent the very best of the united states of america. we will not waiver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act and make no mistake, justice will be done. >> the friendship between our countries born out of shared struggle will not be another casualty of this attack. a free and stable libya is still in america's interest and security. and we will not turn our back on that. >> meanwhile, mitt romney...
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politics in the united states notwithstanding. i would have issued or had authorized my public affairs staff to issue a similar statement for what essentially was a demonstration and try to calm things without knowledge, of course, how this violence was going to break out next door in libya. listen, i can't put myself in the shoes of the ambassador of egypt. i don't know what exactly she knew or didn't know at the time when the statement was issued. the fact of the matter is there is obviously question over whether it was cleared with washington at the state department but the fact of the matter is at the time it was a reasonable statement. >> ambassador, what do you make of the news that egyptian police abandoned the posts and allowed the mob to do what they wanted to do there? does it appear it's sanctioned on a higher level? >> i'm deeply concerned of the replication of president morsi's willingness to play politics with the united states and other foreign governments while he tries to play his own game of politics with the mus
politics in the united states notwithstanding. i would have issued or had authorized my public affairs staff to issue a similar statement for what essentially was a demonstration and try to calm things without knowledge, of course, how this violence was going to break out next door in libya. listen, i can't put myself in the shoes of the ambassador of egypt. i don't know what exactly she knew or didn't know at the time when the statement was issued. the fact of the matter is there is obviously...
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we cannot allow this to stand for the united states. egypt -- and i caution some in egypt, even the ambassador talked about this film being the impetus for this. i'm not convinced yet. we saw with the cartoons in the past that months went by and then there were information operations put together around those cartoons to incite violence. we have a lot more questions about what exactly happened in egypt if, in fact, that there wasn't some information operation to incite violence against the united states embassy. and i think we -- before we draw any conclusions about what the spark or the trigger of that event, i think we need to know those answers so we can appropriately ask the egyptians what happened and why they didn't secure the perimeter of our embassy in egypt and we're going to have some repairing to do in this relationship as we move forward. the egyptians need to take a very strong stance on this. i hope that they will. i know that we're working with them to that end. this all has to happen fairly quickly to regain americans' c
we cannot allow this to stand for the united states. egypt -- and i caution some in egypt, even the ambassador talked about this film being the impetus for this. i'm not convinced yet. we saw with the cartoons in the past that months went by and then there were information operations put together around those cartoons to incite violence. we have a lot more questions about what exactly happened in egypt if, in fact, that there wasn't some information operation to incite violence against the...
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states and nato toppling libya, and there are a lot of libyans aware that the united states did play a major role in getting rid of the person that they called the brutal dictator that ruled them for years. it's a complex issue. i should add one more thing. this event, we are hearing reports and attributing it to libya, and it's a broad spectrum. we don't know the details of that yet. we know as small as they are, some strands of the sal sraez are capable of implicating large parts of public opinion. and we have been hearing reports over the last few weeks that remanence of the gadhafi regime are still in existence, and they are trying to undermined the situation in libya, and the chief was recently handed over to the libyans, and there is a cocktail of so many factors. the bottom line is the situation, the security situation in libya is still very complex, and it still prevents a challenge not just to the united states, but to the neighbors of libya and to the neighbors. >> we know there have been marines sent to help stabilize the situation as weyou, ab deerl jazeera. pass along we
states and nato toppling libya, and there are a lot of libyans aware that the united states did play a major role in getting rid of the person that they called the brutal dictator that ruled them for years. it's a complex issue. i should add one more thing. this event, we are hearing reports and attributing it to libya, and it's a broad spectrum. we don't know the details of that yet. we know as small as they are, some strands of the sal sraez are capable of implicating large parts of public...
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what united states should be saying at that moment. after the killings, the state department and the president came out with very strong statements. i thought the best statement of all was hillary clinton, reminding us what the stakes are when she said we have to be clear eyed in the face of grief. and that is correct. we cannot make foreign policy snap judgments. you have to get the facts, find out who was responsible here, before we even decide what the appropriate action will be. and i have confidence that when we do, the president working with the libyan government and the egyptian government will take the right action. >> and to john's point about the sort of risk these diplomats take on, you know, that statement that was released in egypt was as much as anything else an attempt to save lives. >> sure. >> say look, we were a he going to try to put this broken thing back together so that nobody is hurt. and for romney not only to sort of not understand that, but then to use that as a line of attack and criticism, is fairly shocking
what united states should be saying at that moment. after the killings, the state department and the president came out with very strong statements. i thought the best statement of all was hillary clinton, reminding us what the stakes are when she said we have to be clear eyed in the face of grief. and that is correct. we cannot make foreign policy snap judgments. you have to get the facts, find out who was responsible here, before we even decide what the appropriate action will be. and i have...
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imagine the united states, if they had done -- what macho would have said. everybody, like the boston massacre, just mow down everybody trying to cross the embassy walls, just kill them all. >> right. >> what's sad, also, is that we're actually paying any attention to sarah palin. let's be clear here, sarah palin's constituency are people who wear red rubber noses and bells on their shoes. but what's noteworthy here is that sarah palin speaks for, what, maybe half of the republican party. and as joan mentioned, she sounds -- and if she and mitt romney sound just alike right now. >> well, you just said two different things, ron, my friend. you said that she doesn't speak for anybody. then -- or she doesn't have a constituency, and then you said she speaks for half the party. >> no, no, no. i'm saying we shouldn't pay attention to her because her constituency are ignorant and foolish people, but ignorant and foolish people make up about half of the republican party right now. that's what i'm saying. and that's the only thing noteworthy about what she's doing.
imagine the united states, if they had done -- what macho would have said. everybody, like the boston massacre, just mow down everybody trying to cross the embassy walls, just kill them all. >> right. >> what's sad, also, is that we're actually paying any attention to sarah palin. let's be clear here, sarah palin's constituency are people who wear red rubber noses and bells on their shoes. but what's noteworthy here is that sarah palin speaks for, what, maybe half of the republican...
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he thinks the president has been too apologetic on behalf of the united states. although for people have pointed out the president in this case and others was not apologizing for the united states. and he thinks the president is not managing foreign policy well. there is one issue -- at least one factual issue i'm sure caught their eye which was release of the statement by the embassy in cairo. there's a question about how that statement got put out. it's not the best worded statement as possible. in that part of the world, there is a management question, from the state department, that needs to be looked into. how do statements get released on twitter and elsewhere that could cause a political problem? how it went from mitt romney to his staff deciding to do it aggressively, i don't know yet. but i will say that there is -- as i said at the beginning, there is legitimate things to look at here. but for mitt romney in the heat of it without the facts to start to raise issues like this, again, i think is misguided. and i think you see in this campaign on both side
he thinks the president has been too apologetic on behalf of the united states. although for people have pointed out the president in this case and others was not apologizing for the united states. and he thinks the president is not managing foreign policy well. there is one issue -- at least one factual issue i'm sure caught their eye which was release of the statement by the embassy in cairo. there's a question about how that statement got put out. it's not the best worded statement as...
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and as far as i know, the united states military, the leaders of the united states military, are unanimously opposed to it to this day. this is a fool's errand. it would be a ridiculous war with absolutely no good coming of it. >> joe, you're the only one among us who has been to iran. what do you think are the possibilities of the actions being taken now against iran, against the currency and the internals h s they're trying to chief there? >> republicans talk about ahmadinejad. he has no power. he's a figure head. the supreme leader has never conceded anything to us. there is hope this time that there may be a change because of this economic pressure for one reason. the revolutionary guards who are the most powerful force in the country control 30% to 40% of the economy. and these sanctions are really biting them. and very soon they'll start hampering the revolutionary guard's ability to buy weapons. and to pay their members. >> let me play devil's advocate for a second because clearly none of us want war. it's obviously the last thing we want. let's just go on the premise that the sanctio
and as far as i know, the united states military, the leaders of the united states military, are unanimously opposed to it to this day. this is a fool's errand. it would be a ridiculous war with absolutely no good coming of it. >> joe, you're the only one among us who has been to iran. what do you think are the possibilities of the actions being taken now against iran, against the currency and the internals h s they're trying to chief there? >> republicans talk about ahmadinejad. he...